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Wednesday, June 11, 2014

Taking the Plunge and Finding Happiness as an Expat in Panama


Let me start this article by saying that I don’t mean to get all emotional on you again. You’re probably thinking, “First the dating, then the battling depression, now finding happiness? Chris, for cryin’ out loud, go seek therapy. Call your psychiatrist friend, Juha!”

Fair enough, but I got the idea for this subject last week when my son, little Matteo, was sick and I had to take him to a clinic. While in the waiting room, a very nice lady who’d overheard me speaking English, approached me, and wanted to chat. She was here visiting family and trying to make a decision on whether she and her husband should make the move to Panama. She’s Panamanian and her husband is from the U.S. She leaned towards me, and with all seriousness asked, “Are you happy?”

I immediately started talking about Panama For Real, of course, and what I’m doing. I gave her my card.

“But are you happy?” she asked again.

I then explained that I love Panama and would love it even more if I were a little more financially stable and that I, personally, preferred a life outside of the city...

“...And are you happy?”

After the third time hearing the same question, I realized I wasn’t doing a very good job of answering it. That got me thinking. What is happiness in Panama?

This view from Isla Taboga could make many people happy

At that point, I had to adjust my train of thought. What was she truly asking? See, she was mostly concerned about healthcare in Panama. She and her husband are both over the age of 60 and have a real concern when it comes to healthcare and insurance. I asked if they had a decent income to retire on and she said that that wasn’t a problem at all. She wants to live in the city, but her husband doesn’t. He’d rather live out in the interior (sounds a lot like my story). Her husband doesn’t want to move to Panama until they’ve discovered realistic insurance options, since Medicare doesn’t apply in Panama.  

I could tell right then that my answer would never suit her because her idea of happiness was altogether different from mine.

And it reminded me of the questions asked in the online forums. Everyone wants to know if everyone living here is happy. Are we content with our new lives in Panama?

Well, that’s difficult to answer because everyone moves to Panama for his or her own reasons and before you move here, you need to figure out your true reasons for wanting to leave home, because if you don’t, you may come here and find your retirement dreams unfulfilled.

This is my happiness in Panama

So why are you wanting to move overseas in the first place and then, why Panama? Here are a few reasons others want to try Panama. Maybe you fall into one of these categories or maybe you have an entirely different reason for wanting to base your new life here. 

Are you trying to escape the government? 

This is a serious question because many people want to move to Panama because they think they’ll never have to answer to the U.S. government again. They’ve heard Panama is a tax haven and they’ll be safe operating a business here without the hassle of reporting in back home.

That’s not the case. You need to understand that. I’ll save the specifics for the tax specialists, but Panama is no longer a tax haven. And you will need to pay taxes on money earned in Panama, if you’re still a U.S. citizen (of course there’s the Foreign Earned Income Exclusion if you qualify) but in some ways, living here can be even scarier than living in the U.S. because you never know when some new form or procedure will pop up that affects us here in Panama.

Beautiful, but not a tax haven

If you live a simple life and play by the rules, you should be okay.

Did you hear that Panama is an easy place to run a business? 

It can be, especially if you’re planning to start an online business. However, let me just rant for a second and say that, if your plan is to move to Panama, open a business, then pay very low salaries to your Panamanian workers, while expecting them to perform as if they’re being paid top dollar, you shouldn’t come to Panama. I’ll write more about this in a separate post, but it’s the foreigners moving to Panama and treating Panamanian workers like crap that are giving the rest of us a bad name.

So again, when thinking about happiness, what does that mean? If it means sitting back and relaxing while paying $3 per hour to skilled workers while they run your construction company (and you do everything in your power to avoid paying vacation, holidays, and other entitlements), please don’t bring it to Panama. Find that happiness someplace else.

Happiness (Estefania winning a major Toyota art contest)

If, however, you plan to open a business and pay the workers a fair wage and you plan to train them on customer service and treat them with respect, Panama can be a wonderful place to run a business. Yes, before the comments come streaming in, of course there’s red tape and bureaucracy issues to deal with, just like in the U.S. You just have to be patient, and again, play by the rules.  

Are you looking for a better quality of life? 

You could definitely find this in Panama. But what do you mean by a better quality of life? This is something you really have to think about. The grass is pretty green here in the tropics, but I have to tell you, sometimes it seems even greener on the well-manicured front lawns of some of the suburban homes I see in Facebook photos. From what I’ve seen, some of you appear to be leaving a pretty good life behind. Make sure you fully think about what you’re preparing to do.

Happiness (spending time with the kids...and even more kids)

Life in Panama is relaxed and wonderful; the pace may be slower, the air may be fresher, the people may be friendlier, rent may be cheaper (out in the interior anyway), and your skin may get tanner, but it’ll probably be hotter, the traffic will be thicker (in the city), your shopping options will be fewer (you can still shop online), the mosquitos will be buzzier (I think I just created a word), and communication will be harder.

"Knowing is half the battle" --GI Joe

Panama is an amazing place and you can definitely have a great life here. So dream about the good you've read about, and prepare yourself for the challenges, to be mentally prepared for what this new life really means.

Are you trying to escape winter? 

Yeah, you win on that one. You’ll never see snow again, but just make sure you truly don’t want your 4 seasons, because Panama has 2, really hot and really hot and wet (unless you’re in the mountains). 

It's even sun and palm trees in the city

And if you find yourself missing cooler temperatures, just take a quick trip to Boquete, Volcan, Cerro Punta, Cerro Azul, El Valle de Anton, Sora…you get the point. Mountain towns can provide a quick reprieve from the constant heat.

Are you looking for a better place to raise a family? 

I’m raising my family here in Panama, and I have to say that I think Panama provides an atmosphere that is more conducive to creating a strong family unit than most places in the U.S. I said most places. The Duggars seem to be doing fine with their 19 kids (or is it more now) wherever they live, lol.

Happiness (big family parties)

Panamanians are very family-friendly. It’s all about familia here and that’s something different form what I experienced in the U.S. My family was very spread out. Here it seems much more normal to have big Sunday gatherings. When my daughters had their first communions last month, the house was crowded afterwards, and several family members wanted to give a speech about how proud they were or about the importance of the decision my daughters made that day. It was beautiful. Family values are taken very seriously here and that’s something I’m excited about.

Are you trying to make your retirement income stretch? 

I’ve written several times about the cost of living in Panama and I’ll say again that life in Panama City is no longer cheap. It’s just not. Yes, you can get lucky and find an affordable apartment downtown, but are you going to have the place long term? If you’re able to afford a life in a place like Punta Pacifica, Punta Paitilla, Marbella, Bella Vista, Costa del Este, or outside of the city in places like Panama Pacifico, you’ll be living a luxurious life. Even areas of the city like El Cangrejo, El Carmen, Obarrio, and San Francisco could provide you with a nice living, but again, those neighborhoods aren’t cheap.

Costa del Este isn't cheap

Life outside of the city is much more affordable. Even in the expat-friendly places like Coronado, Boquete, Pedasi, and El Valle de Anton, you’ll be able to find a rental or a place for sale for what may be less than what's on the market in the U.S. or in any other country. I say may because I have no idea what the costs are in your home country.

However, if you look to places like PenonomĂ©, Chitre, Santiago, Aguadulce, Las Tablas, Volcan, and even David, you’ll probably find that the costs are much less than what you’re used to paying. In Panama, depending on where you’re looking, rent can be as low as $300 per month (maybe even lower) or as high as $4,000 per month and up. 

You'll spend much less in a town like Las Tablas

So, you can make your retirement income stretch, but you need to be realistic with your funds. I get the questions like the following all the time: “Where can I live that’s not too far from the city, with gorgeous beach views, where I can rent a big house with a big yard, where the people speak English, shopping is great, the restaurants are fabulous, and a hospital is within walking disntance…for $400 per month rent? More than likely, that’s not gonna happen. You’ll have to be a little more flexible if you really expect to stretch your retirement income.

What it all boils down to

None of these may be your reason for wanting to leave your home country. Maybe you’re just a Roberto Duran fanatic, maybe you have always wanted to grow your own coffee or veggie garden, or maybe you have a thing for really big canals. I don’t know.

Happiness (weekend escapes with my wife...whenever we can)

In the end, I explained to my new friend at the clinic that happiness is subjective. I would be happy being able to support my family while sipping sweet tea on a wrap around porch (the house in the movie Best Little Whorehouse in Texas comes to mind) while watching my kids jump back and forth through the long, narrow sprinkler (you remember the one we used to play in when we were kids, the one that shoots the water up like a wall and we’d try to block the water from coming out of the little holes with our toes, but it tickled, so we’d squeal and jump back…sorry random thoughts again). I think I’d love that.

Happiness (taking the kids on their first Metro train ride)

To my new friend, happiness is a life in the city, where she can be close to her family and all the things she remembers from her youth, while it sounds like her husband would enjoy a retirement a little closer to what I have in mind.

Even if I answered her, “Yes, I am extremely happy in all possible ways.” That does not mean that she’d be happy here or that her husband would be.

I explained to her, “Look, you are Panamanian, which makes this move a lot easier. Some people move here with no ties at all; no family, no friends, and no contacts. For someone with connections here, this move wouldn’t be much different from a move out of one state and into the next in the U.S. or from Ontario to Quebec.”

I’m asked so many questions about retiring to Panama. People spend years studying this place, trying to decide if it's right for them. I don’t want anyone to think it’s just a walk in the park. You’ll face a lot of challenges here, just read the recent Facebook group complaints (and arguments). But if you've spent 5 years researching Panama and you’re still not ready to pull the trigger, think of it like this. How many people do you know who’ve said they won’t have a baby until they’re more financially stable? Then when money’s good they say they want to buy a car before they have a little one. Then they want a bigger house. It never ends until one day, after a few too many margaritas, they slip up and just have a baby.

Planning a baby or at least the right time to have one doesn’t really work, not for most people. If you want to have a baby, you just have a baby, and everything else will fall in place around it. Usually, when someone has a baby, they wonder why they didn’t do it sooner.

All I’m saying is, you may never have all your ducks in a row (man I’m using clichĂ©s like crazy). So think about why you want to make the move. Decide if happiness is going to be here. 

Don’t sever all ties to your home country. It’s definitely a good idea to keep a bank account open there and it’s always a good idea to rent here in Panama first, so rather than move everything you own, maybe (if you can afford it) you just put some things in a storage unit. Then, if it doesn’t work out, and Panama just isn’t what you thought, it’ll be a little easier to go home.

And one last thing, don’t listen to all the bullies who write about the people who come here, last a few months or a few years, and leave. I see that all the time too. Some of the grumpy folks who stick around like to rub it in peoples’ faces that they couldn’t hack it and returned home. Hack what? This is a hallmark we’re talking about, a serious move, a life-changing event. Try Panama, don’t give up easily, but in the end, if it doesn’t work out for you, no sweat. Do something else. If you wanted to move to Texas, would you care if a few people were ranting online about how so many people move to Texas and wuss out and head back to South Florida?  I wouldn’t. The truth is, the person saying that moved to Panama at one point, from someplace else, and it turned out he liked it. What if he didn’t?

And you’ll also see a lot of people making comments like, “I don’t want anymore gringos moving here.” What’s that all about? How selfish is that? We all deserve a chance at finding happiness, either in our home country, or abroad, so let’s take everyone else out of the equation and figure out how to create our own personal happiness in Panama.

Thanks for reading,

Chris

P.S. if you’re wondering how much I spent at the clinic…$14 (without insurance). Took his brother the next day and spent $32 (consultation plus an injection as he had a high fever and needed an antibiotic).

And if you haven't already, check out our other website at http://www.PanamaForReal.com for even more info. 

And like us on Facebook at: https://www.facebook.com/pages/Panama-For-Real/418977398194595

Monday, December 2, 2013

Monday Q&A - Pensionado Visa, fresh market shopping, employment, and ATMs in Panama

Good morning,

It's time for another Monday Q&A. I've received a few questions over the past week, and I'll make sure I get to them shortly. I just wanted to also let you know about a couple of things. First, I posted the new PFR Location Report on Condado del Rey, one of the nicest Panama City suburbs you've probably never heard of. You can read that report and see the video by clicking here. It's 100% free.


A sneak peek at Condado del Rey

Also, I'll be live on The Breakfast Show with Gerry D at 89.3 Cool FM, this Wednesday, December 4th, at 9:15am. The show runs from 7am-10am Monday through Friday. You can check out their website and listen to the show if you miss it at www.pbcpanama.com.

Alright, now let's get down to business.


Patrick asked (via Contact Us on our site):


"I'm planning on applying for a visa sometime next year, and I qualify for both the Pensionado (retiree) visa and the spouse of a Panamanian visa. I have no intention of working or shipping household goods to Panama. I just want to be able to live in my Panamanian home more than 180 days at a time, and would like to have a Panamanian driver's license. 

"My biggest concerns are which visa is cheaper/easier/quicker? Do you have any thoughts on which visa would be preferable?


Chris replied:



"Great question. Let me start by saying that I'm no Immigration expert, so I don't know all the ins and outs, but I've done the spouse thing and I can tell you that if I met the requirements, didn't need to work, and could do it all over again, I'd go the pensionado route in a heartbeat. 

"The benefits are awesome and the process just seems so much faster. And with the pensionado you only have to show proof that you've got $1,000 per month income coming in for the rest of your life (retirement, disability, etc.)

The Immigration building

"Both routes are going to cost you some money because the process itself costs quite a bit, plus you'll need an attorney. You can try to do it yourself, but I'd always recommend using an
attorney. You'll need one for signatures anyways.

"I'm not sure which is cheaper, to be honest with you, but I think because of the time it takes, the pensionado visa process probably ends up costing
less as well. I posted this link the other day on our Facebook page, which is to a page created by the Panamanian consulate in Canada. I love the way
they break everything down on here.


"We've just found a couple of attorneys we're going to be recommending to people. They both speak English and are excited to work with us and our readers so let me know if you'd like me to get you in touch with one of them.

"Thanks again for your email, Patrick, and thanks so much for checking out our site.

Kay asked (via "Contact Us" on our site): 

"Hi Chris, It feels good to discover your blog, it does give out so much valuable information for people like us, moving to a new place but don't know  much about it.

"I read on one of your recent FAQ posts that some fresh markets are all over Panama City, however, my boyfriend and I are new to this place, we are living on Via Españia, do you mind telling me about a popular fresh market place we can go visit? 

"Also, do u have any information if I want to buy some whole wheat flour in Panama City? Thank you very much for your time."

Chris replied:

"Hi Kay, Thanks so much for checking out our website and for emailing me. Ok, so there are fresh markets everywhere, but surprisingly, in your area, there aren't very many, lol. You'll find a lot of them in lower income areas. The good news is that the largest of them is not too far from where you're at (you said Via España, so I'm assuming near the casinos, El Cangrejo/Obarrio area right?).

At the Mercado de Abastos

"The largest outdoor market in Panama City is called Mercado de Abastos. It's in the Ancon area on Calle Curundu. You can take a taxi and walk through, but you're much better off with a car as you'll end up buying so many fresh tomatoes, pineapples, potatoes, and everything else you can imagine. I suppose if you were to take a small cart you'd be ok, but if you have access to a vehicle, make sure you take it. You'll find tons of bargains there. 

"If you weren't already aware, there's also a Mercado de Mariscos (seafood market) near Casco Viejo. You can't miss it. It's right at the end of the Cinta Costera and you can definitely smell the fish. Plus you'll see the seagulls all around it.

At the Rio Abajo market

"In Rio Abajo (the other end of Via España) there's a fairly large market, but you'll want to be careful traveling into that area. I'm comfortable going there, but my wife won't go anywhere near it, lol. She claims it's dangerous. 

"Your question about whole wheat flower. I'm not sure. I bet Deli Gourmet would have that. They're like a mini Whole Foods here. I'm not sure where you're located exactly, but in the Multicentro Mall (the one on Balboa near the Cinta Costera) you'll find a Super K, which a Kosher market. I bet they'd have whole wheat flower. There's another Kosher market in Punta Paitilla. I don't shop at the Kosher markets, but I think they'd have whole wheat flower. I hope this helps." 

"Oh yeah, here's the Facebook page of that big mercado I mentioned. https://www.facebook.com/pages/Mercado-de-Abastos-Panama/370873946336520"

Jay asked:

"Hello Chris, I found your blog about living in Panama. I was wondering if you worked.  I am curious about moving to Panama but i'm wondering what the job situation is like down there.  I'm from Virginia and I do not speak Spanish very well.  I have a cousin that moved down there and is actually making his way but I'm nervous about it.  In Virginia I do Accounts Receivable / Accounts Payable but I don't how I'd be able to find a decent job down there considering I don't speak Spanish.  

"I was wondering how you or people you know may have come down there and found decent jobs.  Just a thought.  I appreciate any input you can give me."

Chris replied: 

"Hi Jay, thanks for reaching out to me. There are tons of jobs in Panama, but most don't pay very well. It's a whole different ball game down here. With your English, you could land a job at a call center immediately. That's what I did when I first moved here. I worked for a Sears project here and actually became a trainer, training all new hires. The pay is only like $700 per month though. Then you can usually earn bonuses and stuff. It's tough when you don't speak Spanish. I don't either. I worked for the call centers, then for Dell, then an online publisher.

"The other thing is, you need to get the work license. There's a new visa that makes it much easier to do that. It's nicknamed the "fast track" visa. You'd need to speak with an attorney about that kind of stuff though as I don't know a whole lot about it. You can find some under the table kinds of jobs, but most companies will want you to have the work license. I'm not sure how your cousin is doing it.

This large fortress (the building behind the cone) 
is where you to go get your work license

"Another option is teaching English. I did that for a little while and there are several schools in town, some require proof of a degree or a certificate showing your teaching experience, while some are just willing to hire native English speakers. Most will require that you're already here though before they'll even consider hiring you. Too many people try to set up a job before coming here and then never show up, so most companies won't deal with people still in the U.S.

"Other expats work freelance with online jobs or get involved in the tourism arena. Some are photographers or write articles for travel magazines and stuff like that. 

"If you want to check out what jobs are available, try these two sites:



You can also go to google and type in Craigslist Panama Panama (put Panama in twice). Then check the jobs section on that page. Watch out for scams though."

If anyone out there is looking to hire English-speaking professionals, let me know so I can tell Jay and others like him. Just shoot me an email at chris@panamaforreal.com.

Todd, who've I've spoken with several times on www.expat-blog.com asked a good question the other day in one of the forums. 

He asked:

"Are the ATM's fixed and safe for U.S. credit cards and debit cards?"

I didn't reply on the forum, but I'll reply here:

"This is an excellent question and one I'm sure many people are concerned about. First off, there are plenty of ATM's in Panama City. And your credit/debit card should work here.

"Two Banco General machines have ripped me off. One took $10 after telling me that it didn't have cash. I'm sure I could've fought it, but since I was using my U.S. card and it was only $10, I didn't bother with the trouble (stupid I know).

"The second time it happened, I was actually using a Banco General card. The machine said that it didn't have cash (then later I found out that it did deduct the $100 I was trying to take out). Since I had an account with that bank, I just filed a complaint and the money was back in my account very quickly. So my advice to you is try to use any machine other than a Banco General one.

"I've also had a few experiences where my card didn't work in a machine. I think it was an HSBC machine that kept giving me trouble. It just kept telling me that it didn't work and I needed to contact my bank. I just went to a different ATM instead.

"So you might experience a few strange situations, but none should be anything serious. You'll rarely experience any issues and when you do, most of the time you'll just find that the machine is out of cash or that your card doesn't mesh well with it, so you'll just have to find another machine. 

"One thing to watch out for is the fees. I've thought a lot about changing my "back home" bank because of their ridiculous fees. Every time I go to an ATM, with my U.S. debit card, I pay $3 to the local bank who owns the machine. Then I pay a $5 international withdrawal charge and a 3% international fee. So if I take out $100, that's like paying 10% in fees. 

"That's something you have to take into consideration. The same thing goes when I use my debit card at a store. When I first moved here, I bought a few appliances, like a washer, dryer, and a refrigerator. At the time, my international fee was 5% (it's 3% now). So every time I spent a substantial amount of money, I'd get hit with a hefty fee, and that adds up quickly.

"One last thing to know. Not every town has an ATM machine in Panama. Most do. Almost all do. In Portobelo, I didn't see a bank, but there was an ATM machine. My advice is if you plan to visit small towns, take cash with you when you leave Panama City. And make sure you have small bills as many of the fondas and small stores might not have change for a $20 or larger."

Well, that's it for this Q and A session. Thanks for reading and I hope some of this helped.   

If you haven't already, check out our new website at www.PanamaForReal.com. It has a ton of info.